From: The Order Area: MagickNet To: Fillander Kishpa 12 Dec 93 03:14:00 Subject: New age/Pagan Full moon.. UpdReq FK> Since a Full moon is coming up, a friend of mine has invited FK> myself and FK> one other into his back yard, which contains an oak grove, for FK> a FK> possible ritual. As I'm still fairly new to this, does anyone FK> had any FK> immediate, overwhelming thought or feelings I should know FK> about? The FK> oak grove? etc. I thank you for your time. Er...no. Perhaps 'be careful' might be good advice. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: The Order Area: MagickNet To: Keith Apple 12 Dec 93 03:17:00 Subject: RUNES UpdReq KA> HI I was wondering if anyone knows of someone or some KA> mail-order company where KA> mail-order company where KA> I could get a set of Rune stones from? If so please reply with Do your own rune stones. Its not very hard and you'll find them aloty more worth while, if you take your time in thinking about the design material etc. which suits you. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Farrell McGovern Area: MagickNet To: Starlock 9 Dec 93 13:22:00 Subject: Shaolin Priest UpdReq On Nov 30 00:22 93, Starlock of 93:9631/0 wrote: S> Just thought I would add a little to the history and S> conversation. I am a student of a style of Shao Lin Kung Fu S> and have been so for almost 3 years now. So the following S> is what I know about the Shao Lin Temple, from the best S> sources I am aware of... Thanx, that was interesting! You might consider doing a two or three part article to be posted in Metaphysical. I learned Judo when I was young, and although I only trained to green belt level, I have found it's philosophy and training has helped me through the years. It is interesting to see the real interface between the religious teachings and the martial arts. ttyl, Farrell Moderator Magicknet 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Farrell McGovern Area: MagickNet To: Morna 9 Dec 93 13:27:48 Subject: Re: Kate Bush: Magical Initiate? UpdReq On Dec 03 22:27 93, Morna of 93:9900/10 wrote: M> I, too am a "part-time Kate worshipper".....:) M> Seriously, on the subject of "Magical Initiate?", I have M> found most of her music to be extremely magical. Some songs M> are good meditation, and almost all have a lesson to teach. M> My personal favorite is "the Sensual World", the song - the M> album is good as well. Have you ever heard the instrumental version of that song? Without the lyrics, it is even more sensual...I would almost say erotic. Too bad the Joyce copywrite owners wouldn't let her use James Joyce's actual words... M> Quite a lot of "Pagan symbolism" in her work! Yes! I remember one summer day when I was walking through a field near my place, we had what was essentially a thicket there...and there were all sorts of birds flying around, the grass was talll and swaying in the wind, and I was listening to NEVERFOREVER's "Delius"...it was a perfect soundtract to that magickal instant in time! M> ... Stepping out of the page..ito the Sensual World... My current favourate musical quote is from Sarah McLachlan (if you like Kate, you will probably love Sarah too): "I awake only to find, That Heaven is a Stranger Place Than the one I left behind!" BTW, putting on my Moderator hat...we should probably move this to MUNDANE, or if you get it POP, ROCK & PAGANS (Which started out as a Kate Bush echo...). I think that we have passed from discussing Kate's possible Magickal connections to the all-out worship of Her Kateness. ttyl, Farrell 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kat Area: MagickNet To: Windrider 12 Dec 93 01:54:12 Subject: Re: SEKHMET UpdReq I've since gone back and read my pantheon of the gods, and found Sekhmet. The only excuse I can give for the confusion is that I was very tired that night. (Grin.) I've had her poster up in three different houses now, the same one that I got from the Tut exhibit, and she always makes me feel wonderful. I've been drawn to her ever since I first saw her. The name that I know her by is Serquet. I would love to chat with you, and I've logged your snail mail address. It's so strange that so little is published about her. In fact the few books that I've read that even mentioned her considered her a minor goddess, perhaps even a local one. I just can't seem to believe that. That's not what I read from her statue when I see it. Bright Blessings Kat 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Rose Dawn Area: MagickNet To: Julian 12 Dec 93 09:30:02 Subject: Re: SKEWED VALUES UpdReq > Yo, Rose! Yo, Julian. What's the 411? ;> > Why would you call Sacred Grove from San Diego?...it has the echoes you > mentioned, I just don't download them. Are they heavy traffic ones.? When I had steady income coming in, I picked up the fiscally-bad habit of calling tons of long distance boards, either from the 'Occult List' Phil Hansford puts out, or from the phone numbers at the bottom of posts I thought were interesting. It's not so weird--there are 'foreigners' who call and post from Modem Magick from time to time, too. Another unfortunate financial slump has forced me into 'retirement' from bbs-hopping, but it was fun to call the different boards, check out the set-up, see if they had echos I don't get 'at home,' etc. I'd say Magick is an *extremely* heavy traffic echo usually, Mundane pretty heavy most of the time, and Metaphysical usually not--that's the one for 'magazine-style posts only.' The NuitNet echo, Oasis, is similar to Mundane in its purpose (general chat kinda thing, doesn't have to be magick-related), and usually lower-traffic than Mundane. I *know* you d/l Magick, 'cuz that's where we're typing at each other right now. > Yeah, Valk and I are up here doing the Sacred Grove thing. I just saw a > bunch of messages on the Celt/Saxon thing blister by...didn't even have > the background to follow them intelligently. Too bad I didn't dig > deeper...I love retarded-sounding posts. :) I like them so much I post > them often. LOL--yeah, get in the car, pardner. ;> Hmmm, ye olde mail pathway weirdness strikes again, I guess. The only other Celt/Saxon thing I'd seen was Julia's post quoting Valkyrie; never saw her original. I don't have the background either, which was why I was hoping others would start posting up a storm on the topic. My father's side of the family is Irish; mother's Lithuanian, & only recently I've realized I know jack about the history, culture, customs of either half of the family tree and have the desire to learn some more. Apparently Grendel posted a whole 'Baltic gods' thing over in PAGAN that didn't make it here, though I picked up bits and pieces through reading others' posts about it. Duuuuh--Modem Magick has the CELTIC echo, which I never switched on, that'd probably be a good place to start, eh? > I'm better spoken than written in most of my languages. Your French > shows a pretty good vocabulary and flawless grammar. Things > Celtic...interest, yes. Expertise, nearly zero, except a basic > knowledge of Irish Gaelic, and that fading fast with lack of > practice. Oh, that would be a shame! I dunno why, it just would be. I suppose because I've learned things and then let them lapse right out of the synapses through lack of practice, and now regret it. Julia tells me I'm 'a Celt,' teach me Gaelic, that'll give you an opportunity to practice (and probably give me a headache!). Maybe I'll bop over & switch on the CELTIC echo today. Is it interesting? > I hesitate to jump into the Celtic stuff because I know so little but I > know I'll get pulverized by people who take it more seriously than I do. > I stay with the Roman stuff, at which I can at least *know* when I'm > all wet. Depends on my mood and circumstances. Sometimes I feel like my brain just can't handle asking questions & reading posts and/or texts about any unfamiliar topic, so I steer clear of 'em. Other times, that's exactly what I want--enough of the same-o, same-o, let's jump right into something new and different. I guess I know a very little bit about a lot of different things; enough to consider myself somewhat of an 'expert' on very, very little, and the desire to learn more about a few. What kind of Roman stuff? History, obviously, but I'm wondering how it fits into your practice of magick/spirituality. You referred to yourself as a Witch before, to me that implies (possibly incorrectly) that you're a practicing Wiccan. Yes? No? Maybe so? A 'Roman Wiccan' as opposed to a 'Celtic Wiccan,' fer-instance? Things Eastern are my particular area of study. I'm selectively 'branching out' into other areas as well. I'm *interested* in almost everything I come across; there just isn't room in the neural net for all of it, LOL! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Rose Dawn Area: MagickNet To: Chris Olmstead 12 Dec 93 09:37:24 Subject: Re: TART UpdReq Hi Chris, I don't have _Waking Up_. Is it in print and fairly easily obtainable, do you know? If/when I get hold of a copy, the echos that would seem to be perfect for discussing Tart, Gurdjieff, et al., would be 'Mundane' (since you're posting in Magicknet, I assume you have access to that'un) and the NuitNet echo 'Oasis' which I'm a bit biased in favor of, as it's lower traffic, less to wade through, more room to cut loose in. ;> How far into your studies are you, if you don't mind my asking? I'm seriously under-edumacated, but every once in a while I play around with the idea of returning to school, so I like to talk to students with majors that interest me when possible. It's partly an ego-with-a-small-e thang (wanting to get a degree, I mean), partly the idea that I just might be able to get a job in one of those areas, and partly just plain interest in certain subjects & the subsequent longing to study 'em academically. Well, good luck in your endeavors! Post if you have a chance, don't sweat it otherwise. I know what being busy is like! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Thomas Izaguirre Area: MagickNet To: Valkyrie 12 Dec 93 09:20:52 Subject: Mystic Cities UpdReq AL> If I might just jump in here... AL> Both Washington, DC, and most of New York City are laid out on AL> compass-direction square grids. DC has diagonals as well. V> They are, aren't they? I would imagine we could find others too. AL> VA>There's an interesting section on the AL> VA>citadels which were based on AL> VA>geometric shapes...something like the Pentagon... I have in my possession a little book called "The Talisman of the United States: The Mysterious Street Lines of Washington, D.C. (Signature of the Invisible Brotherhood)" which purports to reveal all the esoteric symbolism behind the layout of the place. It was written just recently by a fellow named Charles L. Westbrook, Jr., Ph.D., who has written similar tracts on the sacred geometries he sees in such ancient cities as Rome and Jerusalem. The book is available for $12.95 from Westcom Press, P.O. Box 154, Ayden, North Carolina 28513. Very interesting and thankfully without any of the FunDementalist Xtian ravings on the subject. One of the things I always wondered about the alphabetical street designations in D.C. is why there are no B or J Streets...this has quite a novel answer! Carpe Noctem! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: The Cegorach Area: MagickNet To: CHRISTEOS PIR 14 Dec 93 03:25:26 Subject: Hebrew Sent UpdReq -=> Quoting Christeos Pir @93:9810/8* to John Wilson @93:9400/30*3 <=- Re: Hebrew Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. JW> Sure. Plurals are *still* used by editors and royalty. CP@> What's this got to do with ancient Hebrew? The chain of association runs like this: 1) ancient Hebrews use the plural to be all hootsy-tootsy and important 2) the Bible is translated into English 3) English monarch (say, King James in particular, maybe?) decides, hey, cool gimmick, let's use it too, if it works for God, it works for me-- um, *us*. :) Rule by Divine Right and all that, doncha know. 4) Editors later jump on the bandwagon so *they* can be hot snot, too. Not claiming that this has any historical validity--just a possible scenario. Love is the, love is the, love is the laaaw.... Larry ... Reptiles for global warming. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 VQWK 6.20 [Rev E - 11/28] 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: The Cegorach Area: MagickNet To: CHRISTEOS PIR 14 Dec 93 03:25:28 Subject: Alchemy/Sufism/CM Sent UpdReq -=> Quoting Christeos Pir @93:9810/8* to Beorn @93:9400/30*38 <=- Re: Re: HELP WANTED Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. CP@> Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Be> Ceremonial Magick supposedly was influenced by Sufism via Alchemy. Be> Don't ask me for the gory details tho. CP@> Hmm... interesting idea -- have to ponder that one for a while. I've seen this claim many times before; I'm more inclined to believe it than not. The "gory details" usually run something like: 1) The Sufis practiced sex magick. 2) The Templars interacted with the Sufis; certain Templars fraternized with, and were eventually initiated by, the Sufis. 3) After the persecution of the Templars, the tradition went even deeper under- ground (not that it was all that public to begin with). Thus, the writings resurfaced under the more acceptable guise of "alchemy", much of which is simply metaphors for/disguises of sex magick. 4) Ceremonial Magicians were/are often Alchemists; there were/are different "threads" of Alchemy; not all of it is sex magick, obviously. But enough of the CMs who studied Alchemy *did* tap into the sex magick tradition that it was able to spread. It's not always presented this way; often, it's not as explicitly tied to sex magick per se, as the more abstract 0=2/polarity formulation, of which sex magick is but one facet. On the other hand, I've seen some claims that go the other way; i.e., that sex magick is the key to the whole thing, and is the sole issue of importance in the link. I certainly find the basic suppositions: Sufis->Templars->Alchemy->CM (the OTO, in particular) to be reasonable. After all, the OTO = Ordo Templi Orientis, Templars of the East, or something close to that, eh? (Latin's not my thing). And all the various takes on the Templars, from the most mundane to the most rabid conspiracy theories, all basically agree that they interacted with/were "corrupted" by/were influenced by the Muslims/Sufis/Assassins. Certainly seems tenable to me. Larry ... Supersadomasochisticexpialladocious! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 VQWK 6.20 [Rev E - 11/28] 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Darkstar Area: MagickNet To: Ace Lightning 11 Dec 93 10:16:06 Subject: Pentagon UpdReq Ace Lightning transmitted >You know the rumor about the Pentagon, don't you? Supposedly, there is >some sort of nasty evil rotten demonic perverted Thing (the version I >heard says it's Yog-Sothoth from the Cthulhu Mythos) imprisoned in the >inner courtyard of the Pentagon, and if the outer walls are ever >breached, It will come ravening out and devour our souls. Personally, I >think the Pentagon does a good job of devouring souls without any help >from extradimensional evil... Lately, whenever I see a picture of the Pentagon, I have this mad urge to connect the points into a star and then draw a circle around--I wonder what would happen if people started meditating on an image like that? >VA>Sounds like my husband. He's a *very* practical person who doesn't hav >VA>a lot of use for "hocus pocus". But he finds electrical wires and >VA>conduits with wire, and "asks" equipment that isn't working what's wron >VA>with it. He just doesn't see it as being anything except "practical." > So he's a folk magician instead of a Wiccan--no problem! He doesn't have to call it magic if he doesn't want to. ___ X TLX v1.56 X Cthulhu Saves...in case he's hungry later. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Darkstar Area: MagickNet To: Julian 11 Dec 93 10:27:08 Subject: Lol! UpdReq Julian transmitted > X OLX 2.1 TD X If you don't follow Jesus, hellfire and Dalmatians await! I laughed until there were tears in my eyes over this one--thanks! I have paid it the ultimate compliment by stealing it. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Darkstar Area: MagickNet To: Chris Olmstead 11 Dec 93 15:29:16 Subject: Marzipan-filled cookies UpdReq Chris Olmstead transmitted >I want to make a special cookie with a Marzipan middle. I haven't tried this one myself, but maybe it will be what you're looking for. Almond Ravioli Cookies 1 c. (1/2 lb.) softened butter or margarine 1 1/2 c. powdered sugar 1 large egg 1 tsp. vanilla 2 1/2 c. flour 1 tsp. baking soda 1 tsp. cream of tartar 2/3 c. (approx.) almond paste Approx. 1/3 c. sliced almonds Cream butter and sugar until creamy, then beat in egg and vanilla. Combine flour, baking soda, and cream of tartar, then gradually beat into the sugar mixture. Divide in half, then wrap each half in plastic wrap and refrigerate 2-3 hours, or for up to 3 days. Roll 1 part of the dough out to a 10x15" rectangle between two pieces of waxed paper. Peel off the top sheet. Mark dough lightly into 1" squared with pastry wheel or long knife. Place a small ball (scant 1/4 tsp.) of almond paste in the center of each square. Chill. Roll out the second piece as above. Peel off top layer of waxed paper, then invert dough onto first layer. Peel off the other sheet of waxed paper. Gently press the top layer of dough down around almond paste balls. Cut the dough into 1" squares, using a floured pastry wheel or sharp knife. Run the pastry wheel around each square again to seal, or press with fingers. Place squares about 1" apart on ungreased baking sheet. Press an almond slice partway into each cookie for garnish. Bake 10-12 minutes at 350 degrees. Store airtight. Makes about 12 1/2 dozen. Recipe from the Sunset Holiday Cookbook. ___ X TLX v1.56 X Veni, vidi, velcro: I came, I saw, I stuck around. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718