From: Lewis Cypher Area: MagickNet To: Frater E.a.d.n. 13 Sep 92 12:43:02 Subject: Alchemy UpdReq --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Mysteria * Be ye mystic * 818-353-8891 (1:102/943) SEEN-BY: 93/93 102/645 747 943 103/307 109/6 125/51 135/324 159/700 170/811 SEEN-BY: 202/311 208/215 209/226 215/53 266/72 273/715 278/666 308/60 343/56 SEEN-BY: 349/7 352/105 369/57 382/7 2405/666 9000/3 9001/0 9004/0 9005/0 SEEN-BY: 9008/0 9030/424 9040/0 9200/0 9400/0 1 3 10 9510/0 9600/0 9601/0 SEEN-BY: 9603/0 9605/0 9607/0 9608/0 9609/0 9620/0 9630/0 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Lewis Cypher Area: MagickNet To: Frater E.a.d.n. 13 Sep 92 12:52:30 Subject: Alchemy UpdReq From: Frater E.a.d.n. Subject: ALCHEMY FE> Uh, with the possiblity of looking silly, I have a basic question that I can't seem to get an appros answer for.....I'm doing some G.D. correspondence work and have come across requirements for Alchemy. What I don't understand is the USE for Alchemy! I mean, is it sex magick? Is it some sort of mixed symbols to apply toward personal growth? Why the bother? Even if I COULD turn base metals to gold, it would be a lot easier to get it other ways than by such a manner.Or am I losing the idea altogether? LC>Alchemy is the transformation of substances through the interaction of personal spiritual qualities of the trasnsformer-the Alchemist. Mere mixing of chemicals will not bring about the necessary transmutation, this is why chemists think Alchemy has no use. They do not transform themselves, and therefor the universal elixer-spirit-is missing in the ingredients list. A successful Alchemical transaction involves the refining of the human spirtit simultaniously with the refining of base metals/vegetable matter to higher order materials. To transform base lead ore to gold, you raise yourself to godhood, then cause the necessary transformation as you proceed in the Work. This is the great secret in Alchemy. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Josh Norton Area: MagickNet To: Erin 14 Sep 92 11:00:02 Subject: Re: Irish Sources and St UpdReq >problems. But I never COULD get the frigging French >pronunciation done well enough, I suppose. I'd say a word, >the teacher would say, no, no, it's this. I'd try again, >and the teacher would say, no, no, it's this. Sigh. >Never could hear the difference. Like I say, gimme an Don't feel bad -- even the French can't agree on how it's pronounced. My high school class's first French teacher came from Marseilles, and when he left we got one who'd learned Parisian French. The latter spent half a year screaming at us because we talked like "peasants". * SLMR 2.1a * "Legitimate government" is an oxymoron. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Josh Norton Area: MagickNet To: Karl Lembke 14 Sep 92 11:37:06 Subject: Irish Sources and Stuff UpdReq KL>I don't know about ER, but I took a year of Chinese in college. >I found it to be a very easy language to speak, and except for the >problem of learning 30 - 50 thousand characters, I would recommend it >as a viable world language. The tonal quality of the language is not >that much of a problem. (At least not in Mandarin. Probably not >in Cantonese, either, but I'd be guessing there. Educated guess, but >guess nevertheless.) Karl, you have my admiration! I never could get the tonalities right, even when I made tapes of myself to compare with tapes of the instructor. My efforts sent the instructor into fits of intense giggling -- I've always wondered what I was ACTUALLY saying, as opposed to what I thought I was saying. Gave it up after two quarters. * SLMR 2.1a * I left my heart in Chichen Itza. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Erin Area: MagickNet To: Karl Lembke 14 Sep 92 10:34:02 Subject: Re: Irish Sources and Stuff UpdReq Quoth Karl Lembke to Josh Norton--which Erin will now interrupt: > these > >exceptions to rules governed by blood temperature > and how > >hot the moon is. All you have to learn is the character > >system. And even it's not as intimidating as it looks. > > Except in Japanese. Actually, I found the Japanese character system easier to learn than the Chinese system. And like you, I've tried both. You only have 5500 to learn in Japanese (even if each character does have 2- 5 different readings). In Chinese, at the level I am at right now I'd be expected to know 120,000 characters. Bleaccch. > I don't know about ER, but I took a year of Chinese in college. > I found it to be a very easy language to speak, and except > for the > problem of learning 30 - 50 thousand characters, I would > recommend it > as a viable world language. The tonal quality of the language > is not > that much of a problem. (At least not in Mandarin. Probably > not > in Cantonese, either, but I'd be guessing there. Educated > guess, but > guess nevertheless.) Yup, yup. My thoughts exactly. Erin 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Erin Area: MagickNet To: Airmid 14 Sep 92 10:38:46 Subject: Re: Irish Sources And Stuff UpdReq Quoth Airmid to Erin, about Irish and Japanese: > > AAAUGGGH! Actually, I tried taking a conversational Japanese > course > once. Everything was all inside-out and backwards. Backwards As it is supposed to be! > I can > handle. I had no trouble with German. But the inside-out > part really > got me. My brains began to leak out my ears. It is only when the grey matter begins to ooze that one is in the proper frame of mind to learn this language. Actually, my Japanese students would agree with you. I watch them struggling to understand and fit the language into the structure they've dealt with for some 20-odd years. What they don't know yet is, you just have to accept the language on its own terms. Aint no logical reason for some things. Now I'm saying the same things to myself about Irish. But I have been too long in the Oriental language mindset. Sigh. Time to start over. Erin 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Freydis Vasa Area: MagickNet To: Frater E.a.d.n. 14 Sep 92 17:11:00 Subject: ALCHEMY UpdReq > G.D. correspondence work and have come across requirements for > Alchemy. What I don't understand is the USE for Alchemy! I mean, > is it sex magick? Is it some sort of mixed symbols to apply toward > personal growth? Why the bother? Even if I COULD turn base metals > to gold, it would be a lot easier to get it other ways than by such > a manner. Or am I losing the idea altogether? In my limited understanding, there are three uses for alchemy. 1. As an allegory for the spiritual path, turning one's self from base metal to gold. 2. As a study in futility, similar to counting grains of sand to gauge the size of the universe. 3. As a real, scientific effort to turn base metal into gold, which most chemists will tell you cannot be done. I am not a student of the Golden Dawn, however, and do not know if any of these would apply toward your studies. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718