From: Allyson Area: MagickNet To: Morgan Ap Rhys 16 Jul 92 13:39:00 Subject: Thirteen UpdReq MAR>AREA:MAGICKNET MAR> PG> Well, a witch's coven alway's has a maximum of 13 members, and Christ MAR> PG> had 12 apostles. 1 and 12 make 13. Beyond that, I'd be just as MAR> PG> interested to find out about this as you would MAR>Scuse me... perhaps your tradition teaches that, but it is by no means a MAR>universal rule that a coven can only have 13 members. It used to be a smal MAR>number since it's a widely held belief that the more people know about MAR>something, then the higher the chance that one will tell others. In the MAR>Burning Times, this was a very bad thing, considering that if the church MAR>found out about it, they generally were quite peeved at the offenders. MAR>Nowadays, there is not so much the same threat, but there are still other MAR>threats. I know people who cannot be open about their religion because the MAR>would be fired or otherwise suffer. Hehe...one other point: since the "traditional" size for a magickal Circle is 9" diameter, only 13 people will fit in comfortably, really. More than 13 makes it rather stuffy and one has to do the "High Priest/ess Shuffle" more often ! Personally, I figure the optimum number of people in a coven is about 8, being four working couples. I suspect that most covens harbour about 8 to 10 people in their Inner Court, possibly less. I've never yet encountered a coven with 13 people . Ally 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Allyson Area: MagickNet To: Dee Waredale 16 Jul 92 13:39:00 Subject: Fishy? UpdReq DW>I'm starting to here talk about the fish symbol popular amongst "born again" DW>having a right and a wrong direction. If it "swims" from right to left: DW> ___ DW> / \/ DW> \___/\ DW>it's the correct Christian way, but if it swims from left to right, this has DW>the same meaning as an inverted crusifix, i.e., it is a coded symbol for DW>satanism. DW>Has anyone else heard this, would people ask around. Haven't heard anything about it personally...sort of sounds rather childish to me ... However, I do know that if you turn it sideways, thus: \_/ / \ | | \___/ it's a symbol of the Horned God ! Ally 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718