From: Star Hawley Area: MagickNet To: Farrell McGovern 3 Apr 92 18:08:20 Subject: Mr. and Mrs. federation UpdReq FM> BTW, Are you giving us this information as the Spokesperson of FM> the Pagan Federation, or is it simply the account FM> that you have on this BBS you are on? And I really FM> don't believe you are the offspring of Mr. and Mrs. FM> Federation . So, could you please Identify FM> yourself with some sort of name? Don't have to be a FM> "real name", or even a Craft name...just some FM> moniker to show you are not the offspring of Mr. FM> and Mrs. Federation. I agree, everytime I see this handle I think of a friend of mine who is very active in the Pagan Federation in England, and have to remeber that it's not him! I know he hates computers so at least I'm pretty sure it's not him...Jeremy? Nah... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Star Hawley Area: MagickNet To: Theseus 3 Apr 92 18:12:32 Subject: Re: HOMOSEXUALITY AND YOU UpdReq T> That's part of the problem we are faced with: is there such a thing T> as Gay spirituality? And how does it differ from T> spirituality that is not defined by sexual/cultural T> identity? I think the question here is: Does one's sexual identity affect one's spirituality? I don't have a quick answer, but at least I've defined the question. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Star Hawley Area: MagickNet To: Gerald Del Campo 3 Apr 92 18:16:04 Subject: Freddie... UpdReq GDC> No arguments there. Bohemian Rhapsody is one of my favorites as GDC> well. "I don't want to die, sometimes I wished GDC> I'd never been born at all". Sure is a shame to GDC> see Fredie go. Congradulations, you just made me sob all over my keyboard. There is nothing more powerful than music moving the emotions... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Star Hawley Area: MagickNet To: John Shaman 3 Apr 92 18:18:34 Subject: Re: HOMOSEXUALITY AND YO UpdReq JS> Spirituality, in its' pure form, transcends sexuality, politics, etc. Good answer. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Talin Nightshadow Area: MagickNet To: Faintinggoat 2 Apr 92 00:09:02 Subject: Re: Christian Magick UpdReq FA>TN> Right now I'm a boarding senior at McCallie School in Chattanooga, FA>TN> Blessed Be. FA>TN> Talin FA>Greetings from the class of '78! FA>Is Wolfman Boyd still there? Boyd is *still* here (if we're referring to the same Mr. Tom Boyd of the Chem classroom) and still terrorizing innocents with Chemistry AP problems... :> How's life? So... what's happened in the 14 years since you left life at McCallie? I never thought that I would meet a former student on one of *these* nets... small world isn't it? Never thought there were others *at* McCallie (or from there) who weren't thoroughly indoctrinated with Presbytarian chapel talks and such like... :> But some of us, I assume, will dare to be different! FA> X SLMR 2.1a X 1 year in S Hutch; 2 in Belk (1 WITH a Belk!) I spent last year in Belkatraz and this year in Founders... phone privilages are *nice* and seniors get a few breaks, but I'm looking forward to a little more freedom in college. Where did you go? Wind to thy Wings, Talin ___ X SLMR 2.1 X My reality check just bounced. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Talin Nightshadow Area: MagickNet To: Gwion Bach 2 Apr 92 00:21:04 Subject: Tinsel UpdReq GB>I think I am able to answer your questions, in a way, by simply asking you GB>questions. The first one being, do you consider all sex GB>making love? The second being, if two people are Not all sex is making love.. that's clear. I think that for it to be truly making love there has to be the bond of love there between two people... a desire to share with each other physically, mentally and emotionally. Sex for the sake of sex alone is purely selfish and I that it's an abuse of a wonderful and powerful gift. GB>physically unable to perform the act of sex does that mean GB>that they cannot make love? I see sex as being a Hmmmm... interesting point. I would have to answer yes, though I don't know how it would be accomplished... GB>reproduction tool and although I will not infringe my GB>beliefs on others by espousing a universal right or wrong, GB>I do think it is possible to make love to someone without GB>having sex. I see sex as reproduction, the certain slang GB>terms as simply pleasure (not all the times), and making GB>love as an emotional/mental stimulus shared between two GB>loving people. I think I am confusing you more than I am GB>helping you understand so I will stop for now and see what GB>your next post looks like. Blessed be. Do you believe that two people should not have sex unless they are trying for reproduction? Even if sex is not the only way to make love I think narrowing it down to specific instances would deprive two people of one of the most satisfying and emotionally linking, intimate forms of the expression of love... of course, you are as entitled to your opinion as I and I'm very intrigued by it. I'm not totally confused, but neither am I totally enlightened. But I am totally curious to talk about this some more... I hope you can help me understand! Blessed be, Talin ___ X SLMR 2.1 X All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Farrell McGovern Area: MagickNet To: Vitriol 4 Apr 92 10:32:32 Subject: Re: Magic(k) UpdReq In a lo-rez cyberspace object, Vitriol @1:109/134 texuralized the following thoughts onto the reality grid of my fav VR co-ordinates: -=> Farrell McGovern sent a message to Gerald Del Campo on 03-30-92 13:55 -=> <=-Re: Magic(k) <=- FM> Then again, I *am* just stating my fave Queen tracks...but think FM> about the sound of the world singing "Bohemian Rhapsody"...it would FM> betruly awsome! V> Yeah, sure. Umpteen billion people going "Mama mia, mama mia"... V> Get a grip. V> Now if it were something off the first two albums... Are you trying to give us a sheer heart attack? ttyl Farrell 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Farrell McGovern Area: MagickNet To: Gerald Del Campo 4 Apr 92 10:34:18 Subject: Re: Magic(k) UpdReq In a lo-rez cyberspace object, Gerald Del Campo @1:349/7 texuralized the following thoughts onto the reality grid of my fav VR co-ordinates: GDC> In a message dated 30 Mar 92 13:55:38, Farrell Mcgovern wrote: FM> I would prefer "Bohemian Rhapsody"...or..."Bicycle/Fat Bottomed FM> Girls"! GDC> Keeping with the subject; wouldn't "Death on Two Legs" be more GDC> appropriate? ]>:-) FM> Then again, I *am* just stating my fave Queen tracks...but think FM> about the sound of the world singing "Bohemian Rhapsody"...it would FM> be truly awsome! GDC> No arguments there. Bohemian Rhapsody is one of my favorites as GDC> well. "I don't want to die, sometimes I wished I'd never been born GDC> at all". Sure is a shame to see Fredie go. Definitly a big shocker there! Esp after the success of their last album. I am looking forward to the tribute concert this month. Will definitly be taping it off Much Music (Canada's Live Music Station...MTV is mostly off tape..the VJs are not live!) ttyl Farrell 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Olorin Area: MagickNet To: Vitriol 24 Feb 92 20:29:00 Subject: Lightspeed UpdReq VI>My theory is that if a person could attain lightspeed, they would VI>BECOME light. I like the symetry of that ...and whos to say light is not intellegent... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Olorin Area: MagickNet To: Judah De Sumer 24 Feb 92 20:29:00 Subject: Shorthand UpdReq JDS> If LOVE=LAW=WILL, then on the surface, there does appear to be a JDS>contradiction in the man who wills to hate. BUT... if we take WILL to mean JDS>something universal, something archtypal, then we must assume there is more JDS>conflict of terms than a conflict of principles. Going with the assumption JDS>that LOVE=LAW=WILL, then a man who determines to hate must be acting on des JDS>esire,not will. Therefore, I propose that for there to be one, the other t JDS>must be present. It would thus follow that a man who hates is not doing as JDS>his WILL would lead him, but as his ego leads him. Humm? I guess as long as we define the terms that way then we could define them any way and not be dealing directly with the archeotypical idea behind the word. Words change with use but I would not confuse the concept of LOVE with the current definition of LAW or WILL magical or not (lack of K intentional). I may for the prupose of argument say that I define or "name" the word will to be equal to dog will = dog therfore my dogpower is my willpower. As you can see the farther you get from the original concept the less you will be able to comunicate as you develop a different language. Love as a force is similar but not the same but may be equal in another sence as having the same wieght in the world or the same or equal power, defined in relation to another thing or concept....going nowhere here sorry to bother you...needs work... X=Y 2 X = XY 2 2 2 X -Y = XY-Y (X+Y)(X-Y) = Y(X-Y) X+Y = Y 1+1 = 1 2 = 1 P.S. This is not original I stole it from a bar blackboard. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Olorin Area: MagickNet To: Singh Khanna 24 Feb 92 20:29:00 Subject: Gate UpdReq SK> Certainly. Grey-blue ambience, deep unflickering large light SK>source shining from above as tho thru a circular hole, to SK>illuminate a dim circle on the low fog on the ground. The Gate is SK>in front of this light, slightly to the right as your facing it, SK>barely visible until you get close. Once you get close, you can SK>pickout figures moving on either side of the Gate, shadowy and SK>lithe, and a distinct vibration of maleviolence coming from SK>these figures. They're only seen clearly if you actually reach for SK>Gate itself, when they attack. Very Anubian, jackel-headed SK>humanoids with claws for fingernails, and very sharp teeth... SK>>>the person behind you?? SK> Gotcha. I never mentioned that here. Wanna fess up now? Not yet as I'm not sure I remember well and your discription is different than what I picked up...maybe static? SK> Actually there are 7 lock mechanisms, each requiring 2 SK>keys to open, hence the Gate of 14 Locks.... Was that 13 or 14 levels of hell? SK>>>the door was it wood with iron? or steel with rivets? SK> It looked like a marble, or porcelain, very massive yet light in SK> appearance because it isn't a solid piece but rather worked in a SK> semblance of...slats, maybe. Difficult to describe, but if it were SK> a normal Gate, one might be able to see thru it. Yet, only SK> blackness can be seen thru the slats, or rather, nothing can be seen thru it. Sorta like alabaster? SK>>>I am interested because I found two doors only one of which in a SK>>>recurring dream I could pass after I answered a riddle... SK> I first encountered this Gate some....11 years or so ago, and I SK>only approached it closely once. I never passed thru it, and never SK>had any slightest desire to do so. Still it is a curiosity...Humm??? Sooth tis a will in SF... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Olorin Area: MagickNet To: Singh Khanna 24 Feb 92 20:29:00 Subject: Electroesoterica UpdReq SK> Absolutely. Now, granted, things which you are concerned about SK>which *can* be found, can be messed with, which could cause you SK>to come out of hiding, but that's your call.... SK> It is difficult to attack something directly, or indirectly, SK>which you cannot find. If I'm incorrect in this statement, please SK>tell me where I am in error... As far as I know, there is only a SK>single way around it, and if the hidden defender knows what this SK>is, it can be easily countered. As I said to Nitecrawler, there is SK>every possibility that I'm wrong, and that the entire concept is SK>pure foolishness.... Unless your camoflage is too effective and you are caught by random action...no not foolish...but how well do you hide if something/one is really looking for you? Or for a power generator in general, his tactic would be to pose an irristable temptation to "power up" to an audience of seeming non doers, those who instinctively or otherwise reacted could then be targeted, or filed for future reference/cooptation...How is that for another golbal conspiracy theory??? TEE HEE HEE HEE BREEEEW HAHA :-O' 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Olorin Area: MagickNet To: Singh Khanna 24 Feb 92 20:29:00 Subject: Needs UpdReq SK>A compromise is to simply step on-board 'leaking' like a veritable SK>lighthouse with my Guard on obvious duty. As they say, sometimes SK>a kind word and a gun will get you more than a kind word... or it can broadcast...depends on the environs...I personnally don't fear much so it is a tactical decision whether or not to leak and can be valid in the circumstances....chuckle SK> I don't have a problem with dependancy as long as I'm able to SK>become un-dependant if necessary. The trick is knowing for a SK>certainty whether or not one is able to, walk away, as you say... Agreed. SK>>>Need or want? SK> Actually, a want is indicative of a need, to whatever degree. In SK>either case, the effect is the same. Not all wants stem from essencial needs but maybe percieved needs and a paradyme shift will reveal that they are not Needs? SK> "Broiled in Butter"?! My favourite! With onions and mushrooms!!! yum! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Olorin Area: MagickNet To: Camille Lockyer 28 Feb 92 17:05:00 Subject: spells UpdReq CL> What about energy that is in the same wave length and operates at the CL>same speed? Psychic energies are on the same frequency, that's why CL>I set off the detectors. Does this energy on the same wave length, operating CL>at the same speed effect people in a negative fashion. Can it cause CL>problems by comming into contact with it unaware? Are you sure its the same or a harmonic? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: LORD HADES Area: MagickNet To: ALL 8 Mar 92 22:40:22 Subject: HM... UpdReq Hi! :) I just happened to have a quandry...it may be sort of weird... :) Since 'magick' is usually only specifically told to the initiate... or rather the secrets or mysteries are protected or not revealled because of oath or custom or whatever... I guess that I don't know how to finish my question... :) Dazed and confused... Hades 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Spider Area: MagickNet To: Markie Chao 10 Mar 92 09:27:00 Subject: religious freedom etc. UpdReq MC>Has everyone heard what is going on in England? There is a special `Satanic MC>Crimes' division recently set up in the Leeds area and running around raiding MC>occult groups. Some well known groups over there have shut down I have a friend who moved there recently. When they went through her luggage, they found a portion of her ritual equipment. They held her for hours incommunicado because of it. They did eventually relase her, but the questioning was ratherintense. //\o/\\ spider 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Count 0 Area: MagickNet To: Singh Khanna 9 Mar 92 19:14:00 Subject: Elves UpdReq SK>>>I have also met a few people from time to time who's physical SK>>>features and personalities are absolutely those of an elf. SK> SK>to begin to emerge... What's quite interesting is the determination SK>of those who might have this heritage, yet the physical features SK>are still quite standardly human. Wild speculation is always lots I've seen several messages on Elven an Farie characteristics, but I haven't really seen a description of what exactly Elven characteristics are. Could you clue me in a little about what characteristics are being discussed? Thanks Count 0 --- * EZ 1.33 * Something is lost, something is found. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Spider Area: MagickNet To: Markie Chao 8 Mar 92 09:27:00 Subject: religious freedom etc. UpdReq MC>Has everyone heard what is going on in England? There is a special `Satanic MC>Crimes' division recently set up in the Leeds area and running around raiding MC>occult groups. Some well known groups over there have shut down I have a friend who moved there recently. When they went through her luggage, they found a portion of her ritual equipment. They held her for hours incommunicado because of it. They did eventually relase her, but the questioning was ratherintense. //\o/\\ spider 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Lady K'ta Area: MagickNet To: Metal Maniac 17 Mar 92 03:20:00 Subject: Merry Meet UpdReq =========================================================================== BBS: SIR JAMES BBS Date: 02-29-92 (03:03) Number: 4748 From: METAL MANIAC Refer#: NONE To: ALL Recvd: NO Subj: Merry Meet Conf: (104) MagickNet 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Spider Area: MagickNet To: All 17 Mar 92 11:49:00 Subject: PC Compatible Astrology UpdReq Hiya folks, I'm not sure if this is the proper echo for this, but it was as close as I could figure from what we carry locally. I'm looking for some fairly sophisticated astrology software that will run on a PC compatible. I need to be able to not only draw up charts, but to be able to cross two charts as well. Interpretation is not necessary, although it could be useful. This does *not* need to be freeware or even shareware; I am perfectly capable of paying for quality software. Any suggestions? //\o/\\ spider 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Wita Woman Area: MagickNet To: Talin Nightshadow 21 Mar 92 23:38:00 Subject: Parapsychics... and magic UpdReq =========================================================================== BBS: SIR JAMES BBS Date: 03-03-92 (13:14) Number: 7439 From: TALIN NIGHTSHADOW Refer#: NONE To: ALL Recvd: NO Subj: Parapsychics... and magic Conf: (104) MagickNet 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Wita Woman Area: MagickNet To: Lord Hades 21 Mar 92 23:39:00 Subject: HM... UpdReq =========================================================================== BBS: SIR JAMES BBS Date: 03-08-92 (22:40) Number: 8090 From: LORD HADES Refer#: NONE To: ALL Recvd: NO Subj: HM... Conf: (104) MagickNet 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: The Shadow Area: MagickNet To: Talin Nightshadow 24 Mar 92 23:11:00 Subject: Psychic Training UpdReq To: Talin Nightshadow Subject: Parapsychics... and magick! :) Replies: #6312 <- TN> I am a burdgeoning parapsychic who is trying to come to grips with my >powers and learn to understand and control them effectively. SHADOW>> It is very important to know the difference between the thoughts in your head and the images you are picking up. It ius even more confusing when you consider that psi insight come to you in your own sysmbols. The skill of recieving these images is only one aprt of being a pro-the other skill is interpretation of the images, which comes with time and practice practice practice. I find it also helpful to do inner plane rituals, and also to keep a dream diary. Both these things, in addition to the before mentioned diary of your visions, build an important link between the unconscious mind-the source of the dark where the unmanifest becomes the manifest, and the talking self which is the part that brings forth the vision out of the dark, and into verbal expression. TN> Also.. if there are any good books on psychic experiences or instructional material (I haven't found any) SHADOW I haven't found any good books for learning. I have found many good passages in books full of advice on how to use PSI ability once you have mastered it though. One good author that comes to mind is Levy in 'Transcendental Magic' the section on Psychic Readers. TN>I've also been wondering how magick (particularly Wicca and ceremonial magick) fits in with paranormal abilities. SHADOW>> I have found that once you enter psychic training, Inner Plane ritual strengthens your PSI abilities, and opens areas of your mind processes. Dreams become vivid, and another place to do magic. Also, PSI is the 'test intrament' for doing magic. It allows you to know when the 'power is up.' 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: The Shadow Area: MagickNet To: Singh Khanna 24 Mar 92 23:14:00 Subject: Crosses UpdReq To: Singh Khanna Subject: Methods and Means SK>>>The Catholics even use the Celtic (or Gaelic... whichever you prefer) cross as an important symbol. SHADOW>> The obvious question, and refutation is: Before the cross belonged to the Celts, who did it belong to. Then who before them, and them? Its an old symbol. Maybe one of the oldest. Crossed roads, crossed sticks, being crossed, uncrossing people, the 4 directions, the 4 humors, the cardinal points, the 4 elements. And so on.... So someone else is using it. So what? Not that I object to a little christian bashing, its good to be the king! Its better to be the Jester, and even better to be the Fool? SK> Personally, I find the crucifix to be somewhat repellant... True, it's certainly shock-evoking, which I suppose is 'awakening' in that it's a heavy-handed reminder, but some things are a bit much! Of course, there's a world a difference between a crucifix and a cross, but many people don't differentiate... SHADOW>>I perfer to think about Daddy Woden, hanging on the World Tree. The crucifix and the death of the God King (the holy Fool) is also an old story. Maybe as old as the cross. SK>>>I have been to several masses where the power flowing was enormous.... you could Feel it throughout your entire body--I find that Midnight Christmas Masses are usually like this. SK>>>At this point I'm trying to find out more about magick and different Magickal systems.A long quest, may it never end! SHADOW>> I found it good to find something I like, and then master that before going on. I doubt magic can be mastered dabbling in an ecelectic way. But, I know some great ecelectic magicians. So go figure. You might also do well with considering them all equal, and choose one which you like its style. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: The Shadow Area: MagickNet To: Static 24 Mar 92 23:17:00 Subject: Vortex UpdReq To: Static Subject: Vortexes > Hello; I am Static from the Purgatory BBS; my specialty is > odd phenomena SHADOW>> Well, gee! We should know each other! I am nothing, if not an "odd phenomena." >and I have a journal I put out irregularly > calle d VORTEX; I have made a point of studying things like > vortexes for years and hope to start clearing up some > misconceptions people have about these regions where weird SHADOW> Me too. I put out a journal called "Psychic News." I use it to keep in touch with my clients (I am a professional psychic reader). My last issue had a big piece on those circles in the wheat fields. Did you know they are not only being seen in England? Other places have reported them. Is this a 'vortex?' I also, a long time ago, happened on a portal between the faery world and this one, that too could be called a 'votex.' Want to swap some vortex stories? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Spider Area: MagickNet To: Talin Nightshadow 29 Mar 92 10:28:00 Subject: Tinsel UpdReq TN> I don't completely understand the concept of making love without TN>involving sex... it seems to me to be a contradiction in terms. I It really depends on how you define sex. Do you define it as coitus? Do you include oral & anal? How about same-sex stuff? If I had to define it I think that I would be at a loss. Genital contact looks to be the major element. (With this masturbation, solo or otherwise, is sex as well). If you use this as a definition, I have managed making love with out sex. Making love is a matter of moving energy (and passion) between people in an intimate situation. If a person cannot do that, they would be a sorry sight IMHO. TN>realise that sex has power, and that there is more power in it when it I don't think that sex has as much power as passion (and the other things that I mentioned above). I have managed to have sex without making love as well, and let me tell you it is a dreadfully unsatisfying thing. The energy involved is negligable. To bring us back to the magical line.... if I were to raise this particular sort of energy (2nd chakra -- I'm trying to avoid calling it sexual energy here ;) I would be far more concerned about the emotional and energy components, the physical contact is lowest on the list, and may well not even be needed. As a society we seem to have mangled the words that we need to describe this... I think it is entirely possible to raise what we tend to call sexual energy with out having sex. //\o/\\ spider 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718