From: Fir Area: ENOCHIAN To: All 27 Feb 95 02:28:42 Subject: Colors/Elements/Directions UpdReq Frater Sharash, in his file ENCOLOR.ZIP gives the following as the only color attributes in Dee's and Kelley's work: Air-red, Earth-black, Water-green, and Fire-white. Whereas it seems that the attributions are really to the directions and not to the colors. To quote from Charlotte Smith's _John Dee_: 'East and West, North and South, stand four sumptuous and belligerant Castles, out of which sound Trumpets Thrice. From every Castle, a Cloth, the sign of Majesty, is cast. In the East it is red, like new-smitten blood. In the South, lily-white. In the West, green, garlick-bladed like the skins of many dragons. In the North, hair-coloured, black like bilberry juice. Four trumpeters (etc.)' Or from Casaubon's _A True & Faiithful Relation_ on page 168: 'Then seemed out of every Castle a cloth to be thrown on the ground, of more than the breadth of a Table-cloath. Out of that in the East, the cloath seemed to be red, which was cast. Out of that in the South, the cloath seemed white Out of that in the West, the cloath seemed green, with great knops on it. Out of that in the North, spread, or thrown out from the gate under foot, the cloath seemed to be very black' With due respect to Frater Sharash, I question whether he is drawing the correlation between the directions and the elements. Is there anything to indicate that in 1584, Dee and Kelley would have attributed Air to the East, Fire to the South, Water to the West, and Earth to the North? I haven't read my Agrippa yet. Does Agrippa draw these correlations? Regards, Fir 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: The Cegorach Area: ENOCHIAN To: All 27 Feb 95 03:42:00 Subject: Enochian Tarot UpdReq Whilst looking through my Enochian Tarot, I noted with some curiousity cards denoting elemental Demons, comprised of four letters. I thought (according to Chanokh) that the elemental Demon names were three letters...? Also, when reading Enochian Sex Magick, Hyatt/Duquette talk about the demon names, and say the exact method of determining them is unclear, that Crowley never gave the detailed instructions he promised in Chanokh. Well, obviously, he didn't, but has anyone ever gone back through Dee's notes to settle this? Curious, Larry ... equal opportunity heretic. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Christeos Pir Area: ENOCHIAN To: Josh Norton 17 Feb 95 11:04:22 Subject: Enochian 101 UpdReq -=> Josh Norton sent a message to Christeos Pir on 12 Feb 95 12:47:00 <=- -=> Re: Enochian 101 <=- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. JN> Hey, I told you when I started that it wasn't going to be finished any JN> time soon. Gimme a break -- it took Crowley 23 years to finish the JN> Aethyrs. ;-) Why not just label what you've got "Part One", and put a JN> "to be continued" annotation at the end? Done! WYP, I'll upload the file? JN> Haw! Got a Silicon Graphics workstation handy? My 20-mhz 386 isn't up JN> to that sort of project. Nor is my budget, come to think of it.... We'll have to wait until Tony buys that CD-ROM burner... Love is the law, love under will. - V - ... wealth, and health, and length of days. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Christeos Pir Area: ENOCHIAN To: Fir 17 Feb 95 11:10:28 Subject: Flat Squares vs. Pyramids Rec'd UpdReq -=> Fir sent a message to Christeos Pir on 28 Jan 95 11:12:30 <=- -=> Re: X-POST MSG <=- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Fi> Received the back issues of your Camp's newsletter. Lots of good Fi> stuff in there. Thanks. March issue goes out this week. Fi> My attempt to Xpost the video review failed. Perhaps if you Done! Fi> Sounds like fun. I'm interested in the Opening by Watchtowers Fi> ritual myself and have my eye on some sort of abbreviated Abra-Melin Fi> working in the next year or two. Or at least some sort of formal Fi> ritual with the same desired results. Don't want much, do you? From what I've seen, HGA's are cagey and have to be snuck up on sideways: people seem to encounter them not when doing an HGA invocation, but when doing something entirely different. Though going out to the desert, ripping all my clothes off, and eating lots of peyote still sounds good. Love is the law, love under will. - V - ... There is no other day or night than this. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Fir Area: ENOCHIAN To: Christeos Pir 27 Feb 95 01:12:36 Subject: Nativities (Reprise) Rec'd UpdReq 93 CP, For the record, the John Dee info I gave you was from Robert Turner's _Elizabethan Magic_ and not from Wm. Alex Ayton's translation of Dr. Thomas Smith's _The Life of John Dee_. The chart that is. The Ayton book simply gives date and time of birth, but no chart. Remember when I got excited when I found out that Dee's drawing of Kelly's chart was in MS Ashm. 1788, fol. 140? Well I've found something that will probably be easier to come by than that. In Charlotte Fell Smith's 1909 bio of Dee, which I checked out of the library today (BWG), in the bibliography in the appendix, she says that Ashmole has printed 'the horoscope or nativity of Kelley, drawn or erected by Dee' in his _Theatrum_, page 479. Perhaps if someone has a copy of Ashmole's _Theatrum_, they could confirm this? 93 93/93, Fir 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Fra:. Michael 111 Area: ENOCHIAN To: All 27 Feb 95 10:48:20 Subject: The 7th Ray UpdReq Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. THE 7TH RAY Tools & Supplies for all Traditions. 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