From:    Josh Norton                            Area: ENOCHIAN
To:      Crat                                   26 Jul 93 11:27:00
Subject: Re: ENOCHIAN                           UpdReq 

Thus said Crat to Mark Newcomb concerning Enochian: 
 -=> Quoting Mark Newcomb to John Dee <=-
  Cr> I'm curious as to your assertion that Dee was versed in Cabala.  
 Cr> Most of the jewish kabbalistic texts would not have been available 
 Cr> to him and there is little I've seen to suggest knowledge of the 
 Cr> Zohar.  Much of cabalism at this time would probably have revolved 
 Cr> around gematria and notoquaria which is not in Dee.  Christian 
 Cr> mysticism of the 12th and 13th century may have roots in the 
 Cr> kabbalah, but I haven't seen the same for Dee's works.   Maybe 
 Cr> some of the people on the echo who have read the original papers 
 Cr> will comment also <g>.
There is some evidence that Dee was at least familiar with the concept 
of a Hebrew gematria. One of the sections G. James quotes from Dee is a 
discussion by the angels of the relative superiority of Enochian 
gematria versus Hebrew. However, this same section _seems_ to emphasize 
that only words, and not the letters themselves, can have meaning by 
gematria.
... No wonder you have headaches,your halo is on too tight.
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From:    Mark O. Garrison                       Area: ENOCHIAN
To:      Josh Norton                            30 Jul 93 19:48:38
Subject: Re: Enochian and qbl                   UpdReq 

DO WHAT THOU WILT SHALL BE THE WHOLE OF THE LAW
In a message dated 25 Jul 93  12:54:04, Josh Norton wrote:
 MOG> In a message dated 21 Jul 93  14:16:00, Josh Norton wrote:
 JN> Not that I've heard of.... I'll be very interested in whatever you
 JN> come up with. BTW, is there a published version of Logaeth, or are you 
 JN> working from somebody's microfilm?
       Figures...that is just my dumb luck! :< I will be happy to share what I 
come up with as soon as I can find a coherent system that makes since to 
anyone but me.<GRIN> Just like the RPSTOVAL cipher in LIBER AL, there have 
been many so-called "solutions," but none have been satisfactory to anyone 
but primarily the author. It is much the same with what I have found so far. 
Perhaps we end up finding what we are looking for, and no-thing else. :) 
However, I feel my premise is sound and I "know" that LIBER LOGOAETH has to 
be the "key;" now I just need to find the right pattern!
       I do not believe LIBER LOGOAETH has been published in whole. Various 
leafs have been published throughout numerous sources however. I, personally, 
have been utilizing second hand copies from what I assume must be the 
microfilm (there is no title page of origin--as with most microfilm).
 JN> ... "Plus ca change, plus c'est les Elephants Blanc." -- Pierre
 JN> Trudeau
     ..."and the sky is not blue!" --English translation of an ancient French 
Proverb as cited by my dear french pen-pal, Katherine.
        Love is the law, love under will,
         Mark O. Garrison


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