From: Vitriol Area: ENOCHIAN To: Neuro Sonic 15 Jul 92 07:15:10 Subject: Re: Liber 418 UpdReq -=> Neuro Sonic sent a message to Vitriol on 07-14-92 01:22 <=- -=> Liber 418 <=- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Dodger: NS> Thanks for the offer, but I just got it rough form with Eq. I #5 KO. NS> Unfortunately A.C. doesn't clear up a damn thing for me. NS> Maybe I'm just not reading enough into the metaphors. Well, I didn't expect it to (did you?), but find it interesting reading nonetheless. Obviously, it's even more personal than AL, but fascinating as a glimpse into AC's psyche as much as a glimpse into the Aethyrs -albeit through a highly "colored" window, to mangle a metaphor. NS> QUIF (cry of the hawk eh? sounds more like Yawn of the YONI!!!!) That's "KWIFF", not "KWEEF". ;-) Love is the law, love under will. -Chris * BWave/QWK v0.96 * =+=Vitriol=+= 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Vitriol Area: ENOCHIAN To: Gerald Del Campo 15 Jul 92 07:15:12 Subject: Re: ENOCHIANA ET AL UpdReq -=> Gerald Del Campo sent a message to Jon B on 07-11-92 22:49 <=- -=> Re: ENOCHIANA ET AL <=- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. GDC> Is this book still in print? if so by whom and when? I GDC> have heard you mention this book several times and have GDC> sparked my interest in Enochian again. Do you where I can GDC> get one? Gerald, it's published by Heptangle Books, and is currently in (I believe) its second printing. I saw a copy three days ago in a local store. If you can't find it, I can get it for you- assuming someone hasn't scarfed it up yet. HB only, runs $30, excellent workmanship (Heptangle claims it'll last 450 or so years). Love is the law, love under will. * BWave/QWK v0.96 * Vir introit tumulum regis, invenit oleum lucis. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Vitriol Area: ENOCHIAN To: Grendel 16 Jul 92 07:16:04 Subject: Re: V&V UpdReq -=> Grendel sent a message to Azoth on 07-13-92 15:04 <=- -=> V&V <=- G> Can someone make the wordperfect version file requestable? G> I would really like it myself. I've uploaded it to Cathouse BBS. You'll have to contact my sysop, David Lyle. (See netaddress, below) 418! * BWave/QWK v0.96 * =+=Vitriol=+= 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Vitriol Area: ENOCHIAN To: Azoth 16 Jul 92 07:16:06 Subject: Re: Libri UpdReq -=> Azoth sent a message to Vitriol on 07-14-92 22:46 <=- -=> Re: Libri <=- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. A> From what experience I've had of the Aethyrs (limited) I'm inclined A> to think the Key is necessary to open the Door... I'm also much A> inclined to think that that Key can open a variety of Other doors A> as well. Ditto, the cards, which make great meditational tools, but A> which don't, for me, give access to the Aethyrs. My interests lie more in the exploratory aspects, rather than the manipulation of temporal/elemental power(s). Unfortunately, I'm experiencing some technical difficulties, like getting off the ground. (Wry grin) AC's comments in MWT about people creating their own problems notwithstanding (see "footnote", below), it seems that as soon as I decided it was time to start investigating CM in general, and Enochiana in particular, I immediately began having trouble either reaching or maintaining a so-called Alpha state. In the several weeks we've been discussing this stuff, I've only had two or three really successful banishings (Pam walked in and said, "What's going on -- the whole house seems *dead*!" [As in still, empty.]) Absolutely NO response to Call for TEX last night, but I'm still stumbling over the words. (I'm thinking of doing a pentagram invocation, rather than banishing. It also occurs to me that my prediliction may lie along some other sense- hearing, for example. Have to check this further.) A> Yeah, man. Dos files to Mac is easy, and WordPerfect to Word is A> a standard conversion (so they say...) If it works, I'll put the A> main text in, say, 12pt Helvetica, and the footnotes in 10pt. A> It's the footnotes that worry me; all that bloody work.... Well, I've uploaded both V&V and MWT in WP5.0 to Cathouse. As soon as David moves them out of the u/l area, you'll be in "bidness". The footnotes are formatted already. Whether that formatting will transfer to Word, I have no idea. If you get REAL bored, you might want to proof the whole thing again -- I know I missed some stuff. Did you catch my review of Rosy Cross? They have some interesting titles, including a number of Heptangle's books, as well as Kaballah Denudata (SRMD's version), the Bahir, a boatload of Crowley, Practical Sigil Magick, lots of Tarot Decks, etc. Sorry- no Grant. Perhaps they might be interested in special orders, though. (There's always Gaffer's mailorder business, too!) = = = = = "Most people in my experience either cook up a hell-broth of self- induced obstacles to success in Astral traveling, or else shoot forth on the wings of romantic imagination and fool themselves for the rest of their lives in the manner of the Village Idiot. Yours, luckily, is the former trouble." -Magick Without Tears, Aleister Crowley Love is the Law, love under will. * BWave/QWK v0.96 * =+=Vitriol=+= 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Vitriol Area: ENOCHIAN To: Zildar 16 Jul 92 07:16:08 Subject: Re: Technicalities... UpdReq -=> Zildar sent a message to Gerald Del Campo on 07-16-92 07:16 <=- -=> Re: Technicalities... <=- Z> The HGA is God thustly man is God. Keep in mind the fundimental root Z> of Karma. The becomming and spiritual evolution of man to become God Z> is the significance herein. To speak of man AS God is denying yourself Z> of the quest for the Holy Grail (HGA). As in sexual magick, the doing Z> is the becomming and not the end in itself. YES! "It is I that go..." "...unassuaged of purpose..." and "...delivered from the lust of result...", etc... Not the Grail, but the Quest! 418 * BWave/QWK v0.96 * =+=Vitriol=+= 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Mark Newcomb Area: ENOCHIAN To: Zildar 17 Jul 92 09:45:32 Subject: Re: Enochian Works UpdReq 93! In a message dated 16 Jul 92 07:16:02, Zildar wrote: MN>Well, I too have often wondered why Enochian works so well. Most people I MN>know who use the system tend to agree that it has a stonger MN>link (or tug at) the sub-con. There are a number of MN>reasons why this is so, but I feel that one of the most MN>predominate would be that of sigilization. What I mean by MN>this is that the Enochian characters are more than letters, MN>they are sigils in thier own right. Just like the letters MN>of the english language are sigils in thier own right - tho MN>english is a man-made language. I belive the Enochian MN>letters/sigils are not a man-made language - but come from MN>a more basic/higher line (somewhat like the Celtic Runes). MN>What few people I have talked to on this subject (who MN>really know what they are talking about) seem to agree that MN>this view is quite valid and should be further explored. MN>Currently I am persuing this course of investigation and I MN>would like to compare notes with anyone who is doing MN>likewise. If interested - drop me a line in e-mail. Z> Keep in mind that enochian was the first language spoken by the Z> Angels. This language was not verbal but spiritual, communicated by Z> vibration. Thustly, enochian has been handed down with the vibrational Z> attributes intact. This is probly the reason why they often (in the past) instructed me to "sing" it, rather than just speak it. So far, I have had the best results when I vibrate/sing the keys/calls. What interesting effects have you had when opening the Sigil Dei Aemeth? Mark Newcomb Fra:. Michael 111 93 93/93 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: ENOCHIAN To: Zildar 18 Jul 92 02:26:32 Subject: Re: Enochian Works UpdReq In a message dated 16 Jul 92 07:16:04, Zildar wrote: GDC> FM> What I mean by this is that the Enochian characters GDC> FM> are more than letters, they are sigils in thier own right. Just like GDC> FM> the letters of the english language are sigils in thier own right - GDC> FM> tho english is a man-made language. I belive the Enochian GDC> FM> letters/sigils are not a man-made language - but come from a more GDC> FM> basic/higher line (somewhat like the Celtic Runes). GDC>So, if I am reading your message correctly: You believe GDC>that these letters/symbols have come from some external GDC>being? and not man? GDC>I have a hunch that if one did the same thing Kelly and Dee GDC>did, and tapped into some "current" they would also get a GDC>very strong and power system of symbols. Much stronger GDC>because they would come out of YOUR psyche, and would GDC>therefore have more meaning for you. GDC>I have used Enochian Magick alot (very early in my magical carreer, not in GDC>the last 5 years), and feel that those symbols were Kelly's GDC>and Dee's. The reason the MIGHT work so well is that so GDC>much non-sense has been spread about the incorrect use of GDC>Enochian that the anticipation is enough to bring GDC>phenomena. And in this context, Enochian is a very GDC>powerful tool. GDC>That is my opinion....but you know what they say about opinions ;) Z> You have a good point Gerald. This is why a practicing magickan must Z> always monitor his own emotional influence and keep his objective Z> power seperate. I've always felt that if we used strictly the intellect to obtain to Knowledge and Conversation we would fail miserably because the phenomena is so "beyond logic" that our psyche would not allow the event to exist. On the other hand: if we use strictly our emotions we would become victims of our own demons, who would have us believe that they are the HGA. Balance seems to be the best policy :) Love is the Law. Gerald ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Jonathon Blake Area: ENOCHIAN To: Gerald Del Campo 16 Jul 92 07:16:04 Subject: Re: ENOCHIANA ET AL UpdReq quoting a message dated 07-11-92 from GERALD DEL CAMPO To: JON B --------------------------------------------------------------------------- GDC}>In a message dated 17 Jan 92 22:54:12, Jon B wrote: GDC}> JB> have you looked through The Enochian Evocation of John Dee by ye gods, thats an ancient message << albeit not the longest time i have seen for a reply >> GDC}>Is this book still in print? if so by whom and when? I here is the publication data for my copy The Enochian Evocation of Dr John Dee Edited & Translated by Geoffrey James Heptangle Books : Gillette NJ MCMLXXXIIIJ ISBN 0-935214-06-2 i don't know if its in print << somebody hasn't yet returned my copies of BIP Author & Title Guides >> GDC}>sparked my interest in Enochian again. Do you where I can get one? Baker & Taylor doesn't list it on their Fiche Neither does Ingram But it is on the WaldenBooks Title Master FIle Title Sequence --- which means that Waldenbooks ought to be able to order it for you. << note: i said ought to, not will do so --- most stores do not do special orders of such specialised interest books >> << find a $10^6+ store --- inevitable they will do so -- if its in print >> 93 jonathon * SLMR 2.1a * Coming soon to an echo near you: The Turtle Shell 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718